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		<title>By: martin orbidans</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin orbidans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Been cruising 3 years.(Musician 37 years on piano) Done crew job, now guest ent)..Sacrifices.. Lots!  Money good if continuously working without big gaps etc. About $1000 per week as guest entertainer (piano bar) on the better lines. But expensive to buy drinks even with 20/50 per cent discounts. CD`s don`t sell well if the shop obscures them. However doing 2 CD sets do very well. ($20) Guest ents can have family visit`s on many better ships with better cabins. I  have seen all the ports now and so life on board has lost some of it`s excitement.  I enjoy seeing  much personal improvement working every night. Often there is tension in relationship with crew. The perception being that we don`t have to do drills and have a nice cabin and work so little etc. And we are very close to the guests, so are `watched`  behaviour wise. Not fair, and a very difficult pressured position to be in sometimes, so you have to be on your guard. Guests might complain over the least little thing. Like if you go for a bathroom break just as Mrs complainer walks into your bar. 

my question to them all being &quot;how long did it take for you to get ready for work tonight?&quot;  It`s taken me 45 years!  Really life ashore in comparison can seem a very nice dream sometimes. But hey that`s me! On stage, my lights come on and that is the reason I stay on ships, plus a reasonable income. SO long as it`s steady. And yes pa is supplied, but be prepared to arrive after 24 traveling, go straight on stage and start, even if the pa sounds awful. You may not get help to sort it out.</description>
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<p>Been cruising 3 years.(Musician 37 years on piano) Done crew job, now guest ent)..Sacrifices.. Lots!  Money good if continuously working without big gaps etc. About $1000 per week as guest entertainer (piano bar) on the better lines. But expensive to buy drinks even with 20/50 per cent discounts. CD`s don`t sell well if the shop obscures them. However doing 2 CD sets do very well. ($20) Guest ents can have family visit`s on many better ships with better cabins. I  have seen all the ports now and so life on board has lost some of it`s excitement.  I enjoy seeing  much personal improvement working every night. Often there is tension in relationship with crew. The perception being that we don`t have to do drills and have a nice cabin and work so little etc. And we are very close to the guests, so are `watched`  behaviour wise. Not fair, and a very difficult pressured position to be in sometimes, so you have to be on your guard. Guests might complain over the least little thing. Like if you go for a bathroom break just as Mrs complainer walks into your bar. </p>
<p>my question to them all being &#8220;how long did it take for you to get ready for work tonight?&#8221;  It`s taken me 45 years!  Really life ashore in comparison can seem a very nice dream sometimes. But hey that`s me! On stage, my lights come on and that is the reason I stay on ships, plus a reasonable income. SO long as it`s steady. And yes pa is supplied, but be prepared to arrive after 24 traveling, go straight on stage and start, even if the pa sounds awful. You may not get help to sort it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lamoureux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lamoureux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 05:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I&#039;m also interested in short contracts. Do you make it a condition to your agents that you will only do short-term gigs?

Paul</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m also interested in short contracts. Do you make it a condition to your agents that you will only do short-term gigs?</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lamoureux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lamoureux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great website with subject-specific relevant info, such as this piano-bar stuff.Keep it up David! I have a reaction (positive) and a couple questions.

As a sax player (and lifetime keyboardist) in the process of building up my piano-bar repertoire with the goal of working on ships,I was relieved to hear from at least one of your readers that the pay is close to the $1000 range. Any less than that would not be much of an incentive to work that hard and leave home for months at a time. I live in a great city (Toronto) but I would love to open new professional doors, especially as an alternative to the cold Canadian winters. 

My first question is about electronics. I enjoy playing along with drum machine for the rock &amp; roll and latin tunes, or anything really rhythmic or drum-oriented. Do the cruise lines expect the piano-bar people to be strictly acoustic? 

Second question: Since I&#039;m a sax player who plays along with tracks, do you think I should promote myself as someone who can do both, or should I try to fit their piano/vocal model?

Thanks,

Paul Lamoureux</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great website with subject-specific relevant info, such as this piano-bar stuff.Keep it up David! I have a reaction (positive) and a couple questions.</p>
<p>As a sax player (and lifetime keyboardist) in the process of building up my piano-bar repertoire with the goal of working on ships,I was relieved to hear from at least one of your readers that the pay is close to the $1000 range. Any less than that would not be much of an incentive to work that hard and leave home for months at a time. I live in a great city (Toronto) but I would love to open new professional doors, especially as an alternative to the cold Canadian winters. </p>
<p>My first question is about electronics. I enjoy playing along with drum machine for the rock &amp; roll and latin tunes, or anything really rhythmic or drum-oriented. Do the cruise lines expect the piano-bar people to be strictly acoustic? </p>
<p>Second question: Since I&#8217;m a sax player who plays along with tracks, do you think I should promote myself as someone who can do both, or should I try to fit their piano/vocal model?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Paul Lamoureux</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great info, thanks James!</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently work as a piano bar ent. and am in the process of becoming a guest ent.  I just wanted to say that in my experience everything I&#039;ve read is basically correct with one large exception.  As a piano bar ent. the salary is more like $1000/week to start and a nice large (by cruise ship crew standards)cabin to yourself.  Every line is different, but I am able to get short contracts -- 5 weeks max.  I cannot sing for 4 hrs a night 7 days a week for months.

And yes, there are female piano bar ents, and some lines allow you to use backing tracks, but I don&#039;t know of any who require it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently work as a piano bar ent. and am in the process of becoming a guest ent.  I just wanted to say that in my experience everything I&#8217;ve read is basically correct with one large exception.  As a piano bar ent. the salary is more like $1000/week to start and a nice large (by cruise ship crew standards)cabin to yourself.  Every line is different, but I am able to get short contracts &#8212; 5 weeks max.  I cannot sing for 4 hrs a night 7 days a week for months.</p>
<p>And yes, there are female piano bar ents, and some lines allow you to use backing tracks, but I don&#8217;t know of any who require it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I&#039;m looking at potentialy working on the ships as a piano bar entertainer singing/playing, just getting my rep up to scratch and wondering what to prepare myself for...Do the ships require the use of backings with the songs?....as my performance is all accoustic.

Thanks
Maryanna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;m looking at potentialy working on the ships as a piano bar entertainer singing/playing, just getting my rep up to scratch and wondering what to prepare myself for&#8230;Do the ships require the use of backings with the songs?&#8230;.as my performance is all accoustic.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Maryanna</p>
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		<title>By: barnaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>barnaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve played for Ryan Ahern, and yes, he&#039;s got one of the strangest shows around.  Weird mix of stuff completely unknown to the audience, and showy but not interesting obscurities.

The fact that the guy makes as much as he does is infuriating.  The fact that he brags about it by name is unconscionable.

Shame on you, Ahern.  You&#039;re a lame pianist!  And you wear too much jewelry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve played for Ryan Ahern, and yes, he&#8217;s got one of the strangest shows around.  Weird mix of stuff completely unknown to the audience, and showy but not interesting obscurities.</p>
<p>The fact that the guy makes as much as he does is infuriating.  The fact that he brags about it by name is unconscionable.</p>
<p>Shame on you, Ahern.  You&#8217;re a lame pianist!  And you wear too much jewelry.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Mallari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Mallari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in reply to Edward Sutter.

I have been a sideman for a number of years and played with very mediocre guest ents to very talented ones. I think its a little harsh to say Ryan&#039;s playing is terrible as the video is not the best quality to hear another musicians work, I have played his show on the side and I think in terms of most guest ents on ships, he is good, with a Liberace style, not the Bill Evans kind of playing that I prefer, but good for the audience.

I am surprised to hear how much someone makes to play very little amount of time on stage, and I have seen much worse talent on stage with some companies that I thought would have much better talent. 

Guest Ents also tend to play similar set lists with some variations here and there but the audience doesn&#039;t really care. I think for the cruise ships, audiences are trapped, they didn&#039;t really pay to see any particular show as most normal audiences would on land, rather they&#039;ll accept whatever it is on stage. Thus many outside the cruise ship circle might not be able to understand how guest ents are selected. Probably because they have connections to those who hire! Talent helps as well. So basically, there is no set path in how talent is selected. Just send in the demos and hope for the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in reply to Edward Sutter.</p>
<p>I have been a sideman for a number of years and played with very mediocre guest ents to very talented ones. I think its a little harsh to say Ryan&#8217;s playing is terrible as the video is not the best quality to hear another musicians work, I have played his show on the side and I think in terms of most guest ents on ships, he is good, with a Liberace style, not the Bill Evans kind of playing that I prefer, but good for the audience.</p>
<p>I am surprised to hear how much someone makes to play very little amount of time on stage, and I have seen much worse talent on stage with some companies that I thought would have much better talent. </p>
<p>Guest Ents also tend to play similar set lists with some variations here and there but the audience doesn&#8217;t really care. I think for the cruise ships, audiences are trapped, they didn&#8217;t really pay to see any particular show as most normal audiences would on land, rather they&#8217;ll accept whatever it is on stage. Thus many outside the cruise ship circle might not be able to understand how guest ents are selected. Probably because they have connections to those who hire! Talent helps as well. So basically, there is no set path in how talent is selected. Just send in the demos and hope for the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Sutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading the comments Ryan Ahern. I got a link to his website and saw his performance. I thought he was a terrible pianist. And he gets paid that much? I don&#039;t know the cruising business, but if this is the quality of the entertainment on cruise ships, the people who hire these terrible acts should be fired. 
I used to have my own entertainment agency booking entertainers mostly in New York, Las Vegas, London and Monte Carlo and has been retired now for a number of years. But I still know when an act is good or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading the comments Ryan Ahern. I got a link to his website and saw his performance. I thought he was a terrible pianist. And he gets paid that much? I don&#8217;t know the cruising business, but if this is the quality of the entertainment on cruise ships, the people who hire these terrible acts should be fired.<br />
I used to have my own entertainment agency booking entertainers mostly in New York, Las Vegas, London and Monte Carlo and has been retired now for a number of years. But I still know when an act is good or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi and thanks for all the interesting and very good information. I&#039;ve heard that a non-famous Guest Entertainer can earn $3000-5000 and a more famous one can earn above that. Is that true? I guess it depends on what cruise company you works for. I also wonder if anyone has got any contact info to booking agencies or direct to the cruise lines to send promo material to. Thanks a lot! /P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi and thanks for all the interesting and very good information. I&#8217;ve heard that a non-famous Guest Entertainer can earn $3000-5000 and a more famous one can earn above that. Is that true? I guess it depends on what cruise company you works for. I also wonder if anyone has got any contact info to booking agencies or direct to the cruise lines to send promo material to. Thanks a lot! /P</p>
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