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| September 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm #6847 | |
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BrittL |
<p>I’m only 23, I play guitar, I sing rock ‘n roll and I am the only girl in my city who makes money playing regular solo gigs on the bar circuit out of around 6-8 guys and 6 bands. I have become quite successful and have landed several house gigs and am building a very solid base of networks and clients (I’ve only been gigging solid since last August) but one thing has really been getting at me. </p> |
| September 11, 2011 at 1:25 am #7788 | |
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Andree-Ann |
Seriously. Look at the ratio of guy musicians and girl musicians – there are so much less girls than guys. That’s my observation from going to two different music schools and working (not that consistently but still) around a few different cities in Canada and now in the US. Does that mean that we have to prove ourselves more or work harder to get something? I really don’t think so and I don’t know where you live, but maybe you’re just hanging out with the wrong crowd. I never felt that I was being talked down to or made fun of because I was a girl. Not in Toronto, not in Montreal, not in LA. People I went to school with feel the same; whether you’re a guy or a girl has never mattered for anyone I know. I rented equipment at L&M in Toronto, booked a concert hall, promoted concerts, played in house bands, acted as MD for a summer, bought equipment from individuals and big macho music stores. Never have I felt that I was treated different for being a girl. I’m 23, I play jazz, classical and pop/rock piano and keyboards – so I’m not far off from what you described yourself to be. So I have to disagree with your post…respectfully of course. You’re not the only girl in an all boys club, you’re a musician amongst others and that’s it. |
| September 11, 2011 at 12:58 pm #7792 | |
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Joe Stone |
I suppose it is possible that where you are, with so few musicians, the group of them is generally sexist or something. I would guess that a larger group would average that out. It’s also possible that you’re feeling neglected by them and trying to find a reason, which could be the age difference instead. Have either of you heard of http://www.gogirlsmusic.com/ ? The woman who runs it is based here in Houston, but it’s at least a national if not international organization. They may be helpful for the advice part. P.S. Chicks DO rock. There are women in this town that totally kick ass, musically at least. I bet both of you do, too. |
| September 12, 2011 at 5:41 pm #7795 | |
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mhauck7 |
Being a man, I cannot speak firsthand about being subjected to gender-based discrimination (just like, being white, I will never know what it is to experience injustices based on my skin color), but I have no doubt that what you describe is not unique to your city. I agree with Andree-Ann that you should NOT take these experiences to mean that you have to prove anything. Just do what you do, and if you do it well, respect will follow. The people who want to disrespect others will always find an excuse – whether it be your gender, ethnicity, socio-economic background or whatever. As a music director, I don’t care whether the musicians I play with are male or female, white or black, gay or straight, short or tall, vegans or orthodox Jews. I book musicians based on their playing ability and professional behavior, not on any external criteria. Last year I conducted a college production of the musical RENT. Everybody in the pit was a seasoned professional male except for the drummer, who was a student at the college in her freshman year. She totally held her own, and we all treated her as just another instrumentalist. I have since hired and recommended her for other professional opportunities, just like any other good musician. |
| September 21, 2011 at 1:25 am #7799 | |
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BrittL |
Thanks so much for all the opinions. It is true that I come from a much smaller area then Toronto or Montreal or LA and yes Andree Ann, I do what I do and I act professional regardless. Perhaps what you said Joe makes the most sense, that the ratio is off a little in my area and thats what brings up some bias maybe. That and I am significantly younger than most of them. I am glad to see that there is alot of support for girl musicians because it’s something I’ve been trying to do up here. Being supportive of female performers, be it at a jam night, or a touring band or out of town gig coming to play at one of the local venues, I think that it’s important for us to support one another. Makes me feel a lot better. I’m still frustrated but I have a bit more insight. Thanks! |
| September 21, 2011 at 1:41 am #7800 | |
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Cameron Mizell |
Seems to me that musicians get into cliques pretty easily, too. The ‘boys club’ thing is probably the most common, and found in every industry (my wife and I have had this conversation many times). But this only happens at a certain level, and it’s out of self preservation. We’ve all, at some point, heard somebody doing what we want to do but better than us, so we keep them out of our group. Then we learn music isn’t a competition and use that energy to better ourselves and eventually rise above the rest. So hang in there, you’ve got the right attitude and it’ll pay off. Just be so good it’ll be impossible for anybody to deny it. |
| September 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm #7802 | |
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BrittL |
Thanks Cameron, that was a secret fear of mine – that maybe they thought I was going to steal their gigs etc but it hasn’t happened yet and for the most part we keep pretty open communication in terms of who’s where, what the standard rate is etc and I think that in time maybe they’ll come around. :) For now, I’m just gonna keep on keeping on. Thanks! :) |
| September 26, 2011 at 10:03 am #7822 | |
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Eliza |
Hi Brittney, the reality is you’re doing fine so why let this get to you? You say you’re the only girl in your city who makes money playing regular solo gigs. That’s great! Just be aware of your mindset – if you expect to be viewed as a pariah, you will be. If you think you are too young then other people will think the same. If you flag yourself up as the only girl in an all boys club then that’s how you’ll be treated – as something unusual and to be wary of. Instead, celebrate your uniqueness as an artist. Find your unique following. When you meet people, meet them as an equal. I hope that helps and I wish you the best in your career. Eiza Michaels is the author of The Fan Formula – how to attract and keep a large loyal fan base so you can get your music out there in a big way |
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