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| March 5, 2011 at 4:13 am #6779 | |
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brian |
I know there are some articles discussing salaries and such but I wanted to talk a little more about church job salaries a little more specifically. I’ve just moved to LA and I’m looking to get a church job as a pianist/keyboardist. I’ve had a couple church jobs before in other places but I think I’m worth a little more that what I’ve gotten in the past and I need to figure out how to find a fair price. How do you figure out common church job salaries? How would you justify a salary for yourself? Do you work with your normal freelance hourly rates and calculate that into a yearly salary? If you look at simplyhired’s payscale calculator it gives you an average of $39k/yr. Even a salary of $20k/yr seems high for the kind of hours I’m used to putting into a church. I’m curious to knowwhat responsibilities other church pianists have and how they justify their salaries. |
| March 5, 2011 at 6:11 am #7462 | |
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David J. Hahn |
The going rate in NYC seems to be $100/service for Catholic gigs. A service is anything…funeral, rehearsal, regular mass, Easter mass, etc. I work at a very small church without a choir and we only have 2 services a week, sometimes more with a funeral or holy week or something. So: $100/service x 2 services/week x 52 weeks a year = $10,400/year Throw in extra services and it’s probably $13-15k a year. A nearby church has a choir (2 rehearsals a week) and 5 services on the weekends (1 on Sat and 4 on Sunday). So: $100/service x 7 services/week x 52 weeks a year = $36,400 It’s probably more like $38-40 with all the extra services. But still – that’s only 3 days of work a week for $40k. Not bad, really. The going rate for synagogues in NYC varies. I’ve seen a range between $100 and $250. I’m not sure how many services most synagogues have a week. |
| March 11, 2011 at 10:51 pm #7469 | |
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Andree-Ann |
In Toronto, I used to be paid 127$ (don’t ask me how they came up with that exact number) for a service in which I played about 4 tunes…even though it had me sit in a church, which I would never do on my own, I thought the salary was pretty wicked! No rehearsal time, all sight-reading and they gave me free coffee! I never had to ‘justify’ a salary – they always said what they paid and I was so desperate I always took it. Even that children’s choir accompanist gig at 20$ for an hour of hell rehearsal with screaming children. |
| March 13, 2011 at 2:18 am #7476 | |
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ethomasjohnson |
I’ve had a lot of experience (12+ years) working in the church, from just accompanying to music directing. I’ve also worked in the Southeast, Midwest, and the Northeast. I’ve worked in Methodist, Episcopal, Lutheran, and Presbyterian churches. In my experience, the best church jobs will follow the salary requirements set forth by the American Organists Guild, which can be found at [url=http://www.agohq.org/profession/indexsalary.html]Salary Guide[/url]. The AGO, functioning half-way between a musician’s union and a professional club, is the recognized authority for most church musicians. They transcend the various denominations, including the protestant/Catholic divide. Particular denominations also have their own professional affiliations (PAM, Presbyterian Association of Musicians, for example). Anyway, if you are just looking to work as a pianist or organist for a couple services/rehearsals a week, I would say you should make a minimum of $100/session. If you are looking to be a salaried employee, you should proceed with great caution and use the AGO’s salary scale and sample contracts as guidance. Be very wary of any church that is unwilling to consider using an AGO contract, regardless of the pay. In my experience, the best jobs come from the AGO’s job board. DISCLAIMER: When I was hired at my current job, you had to be a member of the AGO to look at the board. The jobs were, for the most part, all very legit. I just peeked at the jobs board while writing this, and it seems that anyone can see the board for free. It also appears that they’ve widened their board to include more than church jobs. I therefore cannot speak to the quality of the jobs posted there now. Also in my experience, the worst jobs are usually advertised in newspapers, craigslist, and other general outlets with a word-count less than 50. Beware, and good luck! |
| March 13, 2011 at 2:34 am #7478 | |
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David J. Hahn |
Wow, that is incredibly helpful information. I didn’t know any of that. I’m going to check out the AGO site – thank you! |
| March 13, 2011 at 4:31 am #7480 | |
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ethomasjohnson |
No problem. Church work is a whole universe unto itself, with its own subculture. As David has pointed out in some of his blog posts, it can be a lucrative opportunity for musicians, and it is often overlooked. I’ll just add that organists in particular can command VERY sweet rates. For example, there are organists in Manhattan that make $350 for playing a few hymns and some instrumental prelude music at a funeral (which is usually no longer than 1-2 hours commitment). I started learning to play organ about five years ago, and it has been well worth it. By playing organ, one increases one’s attractiveness to mainline churches instantly, and they are often willing to pay a premium for this instrument. |
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