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May 6, 2011 at 9:30 am #6804

brian

<p>This organization gathers information from arts-based people and shows some very interesting graphs of their findings.</p>
<p>http://snaap.indiana.edu/</p&gt;
<p>Check it out.
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May 6, 2011 at 12:51 pm #7553

Andree-Ann

So it says that the median average of debt for people with a B.Mus is 5,000$. And that the median income is 30,000$.

I’m clearly doing something wrong. Help?

May 6, 2011 at 6:47 pm #7554

brian

I know right? I can see where they get that number though. There was a period of time where I was working a church job, teaching a decent schedule of students and doing some random gigs and I was making somewhere around 20k. I’ll bet I could have worked my way up in each of those lines of work and made my way to 30k or 35k/yr. If you were to have a position as a staff accompanist at a college or university along with some of these other jobs I could definitely see that.

May 6, 2011 at 7:53 pm #7555

Andree-Ann

totally unrelated – do you know a place to rent or buy used keyboards in LA area? I’m moving on the 21st and I already have a few students lined up but i have no piano…and UPS my piano across the border is just not a good idea lol

May 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm #7556

brian

I’ve been checking out this place called keyboard concepts for various reasons lately. They seem to be a major piano store in the area. There are several locations.
http://www.keyboardconcepts.com/employment.html

I don’t know if they sell used electronic pianos but they do have rental options. you can also look at their employment listings if you’re interested in a job at a piano store. it may be a bit of a drive for you but it’s at least worth the look. but really, craigslist would be the place to look also. you can always find electronic pianos and keyboards in the LA area. I got a broken 88 key monster from CL sitting next to me now with all the guts hanging out. I’m trying to fix it up.

May 6, 2011 at 8:29 pm #7557

Andree-Ann

how could I forget about them – they are great!

just looked it up – didnt even know they had rentals but it’s definitely worth the try!!

im gonna miss my Yamaha P-90 though. best piano ever!!

May 6, 2011 at 8:34 pm #7558

brian

Poor P-90. maybe you can find a new P-90 out here somewhere.

May 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm #7559

Andree-Ann

that’s pretty much what I’m going for at this point…

I might have to throw it a party so that it doesn’t miss too much while I’m gone where it’s sunny and not freezing like Canada…

May 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm #7560

Andree-Ann

this conversation has officially gone off-topic.

May 7, 2011 at 12:06 am #7561

brian

Sorry MW people!

May 7, 2011 at 1:37 am #7562

David J. Hahn

No worries – it cool that you guys are helping each other out here.

Ok, I’ll tell you some numbers. I never usually do this, but not everyone will see this.

When I worked as a freelance musician in Elgin, IL I made $30k/yr. I accompanied at a college, music directed shows, I had 6 regular students and I played a lot of cocktail music gigs. I think $31,000 was the final number my last year there.

As a music director for regional theaters and tours I worked pretty regularly and I pieced together somewhere between $30k and $40k, depending on the year.

These days I’m very fortunate enough to have moved into the Broadway scene. Working musicians in long-running shows can make $75k-$110k+. It’d be nice to get there someday, but I have some time before something like that happens.

There are other scenes out there that pay musicians well. Church work, tours with Broadway shows or celebrity entertainers, orchestration, and a small handful of songwriting/composition jobs.

My best advice is all pretty well documented here on the site. But one thing I don’t often say is this: try to make money. If you want to make money as a musician, then focus on it. People can call it selling out or whatever they want – I’m grateful to have found ways to make a living doing what I love.

My second advice, which I have said before, is this: adjust your geography. You don’t see fisherman living in Kansas trying to make a living off it. No, they go where the fish are. Musicians need to go where the gigs are.

Is that helpful?

May 7, 2011 at 1:58 am #7563

brian

absolutely. Thanks!

That’s why i’ve put myself in LA for the most part, to find work in music. I may not stay here long term but it’s a good place to find work, make connections and learn some things. If nothing else it’s a good resume builder. More and more these days I’m intrigued by San Fransisco and what musical opportunities there are up there. And more than just musical opportunities. There’s the whole Silicon Valley world up there. It seems a lot of important things are happening up there. All the new big companies seem to be coming out of the bay area and of course there’s going to be a whole world of culture based around that since the people employed there are more younger talents.

May 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm #7566

OliverFencott

A wealth of information as ever David, thank you so much for this insight. Whilst I live in a different part of the world to most MW visitors, you always provide the best advice, so thank you for this once again :)

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