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Rates for teaching private lessons.

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  1. I'm trying to get a sense of what rates to expect in different teaching (private lessons) situations. I know there are several different business models for private studios. You can have your own in-home studio, travel to student's homes, churches have programs where they provide a space for teachers to maintain a studio, you can teach in a local music shop, etc. I've been teaching piano lessons in a private music shop for almost a year now. The rate that I get for teacher there is, as I knew from the beginning really, on the low side. But I'm starting to realize just how low.

    In this particular model the owner maintains all of the business side of things - he provides the studio rooms for all the teachers and the necessary equipment (pianos, drums etc.), he manages new student applicants, withdrawals, tuition, scheduling etc. The teacher has only to provide their schedule availability and just show up and teach. The other important thing that he does that I want to mention is advertising. He does several forms of advertising from news letters to newspaper ads to maintaining a website, even local TV ads bringing in a steady stream of students which is nice. The owner collects the tuition from the students on a monthly basis and pays the teachers at an hourly rate. The tuition is pretty much the same as what is charged in the rest of the region. The teachers I should also mention are all university trained and are independent contractors. We are not employees.

    Does anybody know of or have experience with teaching models similar to this and if so, what portion of the tuition should a teacher expect? I want to get a better sense of how much these elements of advertising and maintaining the business end of things should be worth. The sense that I've been getting from some local teachers I know is that our setup is quite unbalanced and not a very desirable situation.

    Excluding books and materials and registration fees that students are charged upon signing up, the owner of the shop takes 60% of the monthly tuition and the teachers take 40%. I recognize that we are provided studio space and instruments/equipment to use and advertising which is a good bit, but lately I feel like I am the one with the music degree and the training to teach professionally, I'm not just some second rate teacher, and that I should get quite a bit more than I do. I just don't know enough about how this teaching business world works to know what to ask for or rather, what to require of people.

    I know that numbers are different in different parts of the country, that's why I used percentages rather than set amounts. Tell me what you guys think.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. Wow. The shop taking 60% for overhead seems rather high to me. I will be interested to see the replies.

    (I don't teach, so I have no idea.)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. DC

    DC

    Hey Brian,

    My situation is similar. The company I contract with provides the locations, room, students, instruments, marketing and advertising in return for 28% of my monthly gross. I do agree with Joe that 60% seems a little high.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. DC,

    Yeah see i was thinking along the lines of 25-30% for him and 70-75% for the teacher. When I finally have a sit down with him about it I'm worried about the argument he'll be making saying something like "I need to turn a profit". But I feel like having anywhere from 150-200 students that the store now has (I think) even 25% should be enough to cover the cost of bills, advertising and still turn a profit. Of course a big factor in all of this is going to be whether or not other stores in the area have a similar setup of which to compare to. Is your setup pretty much the standard in your area do you know?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. On his side, you have to consider how much his efforts are bringing in students. In other words, if you worked at another local shop that didn't do as much marketing and advertising, would you have less students and be making more per student but possibly less overall? Or would you be making about the same?

    The other question to ask yourself is, are you making a good amount, and it's just this percentage that's bugging you? If so, you might want to forget about it.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. Joe

    I do have a fairly steady stream of students. I maintain roughly 25-30 right now. There are dry periods though where no new students come in for a while and my number of students goes down some, but overall it's a decent flow of students.

    But I'm realizing that I'm not just nit-picking over details of a few percentage points difference. If I were making what I should be per student i could pretty much work almost half as much and make the same amount of money if I wanted to.

    but yes i am thinking carefully of his side so that I can better know what his efforts should be worth compared to mine.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. If I were making what I should be per student i could pretty much work almost half as much and make the same amount of money if I wanted to.

    That was the one thing I left out of my previous post and definitely something for you to consider as well.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. Hey Brian -

    I asked around for some numbers for you. I don't know if this is helpful, but here's what I found from one friend.

    She teaches at a music shop in the Virginia Beach area of VA. At their shop they have the option of 30, 45 and 60 minute lessons. Here's the break down:

    30 Minute Lesson
    Student pays: $25
    Teacher receives: $20
    Studio receives: $5
    % to studio: 20%

    45 Minute Lesson
    Student pays: $35
    Teacher receives: $27.50
    Studio receives: $7.50
    % to studio: 21.43%

    60 Minute Lesson
    Student pays: $45
    Teacher receives: $35
    Studio receives: $10
    % to studio: 22.22%

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. Awesome David! Thanks. That's perfect. I've been thinking somewhere in the range of 20-25% should be reasonable especially since there's a registration fee upon sign up which is a pretty standard thing.

    Posted 1 month ago #

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