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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This website has helped my so much!  I just graduated college and I&#039;m picking up all kinds of work in Atlanta and the areas around it.  Using some of the formulas you mentioned has helped me budget a little and gauge what I should charge for a lesson and what I can hope to ask for a performance: I just booked a gig with my cover band for $100 a person.  Anyway, THANKS SO MUCH for posting such helpful info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This website has helped my so much!  I just graduated college and I&#8217;m picking up all kinds of work in Atlanta and the areas around it.  Using some of the formulas you mentioned has helped me budget a little and gauge what I should charge for a lesson and what I can hope to ask for a performance: I just booked a gig with my cover band for $100 a person.  Anyway, THANKS SO MUCH for posting such helpful info!</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, really helpful article.  I am a musician by hobby but am also consulting for a chain of restaurants.  

I am curious to know what is the going wage for a jazz or classical pianist playing at an upscale restaurant.  It would be a 3 hour gig and take place 4 times a week.  The pianist would not be required to sing.  Thank you so much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, really helpful article.  I am a musician by hobby but am also consulting for a chain of restaurants.  </p>
<p>I am curious to know what is the going wage for a jazz or classical pianist playing at an upscale restaurant.  It would be a 3 hour gig and take place 4 times a week.  The pianist would not be required to sing.  Thank you so much</p>
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		<title>By: Xad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David for the helpful information. I didn&#039;t charge a fee in the past because my service is an offering.  But then, I want to concentrate on this music which means I have to drop my other sources on income that didn&#039;t have any sense of purpose to me.

God bless you and your endeavors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David for the helpful information. I didn&#8217;t charge a fee in the past because my service is an offering.  But then, I want to concentrate on this music which means I have to drop my other sources on income that didn&#8217;t have any sense of purpose to me.</p>
<p>God bless you and your endeavors!</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  The church has been one of the most reliable employers of musicians for hundreds of years - that will never change.  I know music directors of churches that make $75k+ a year. I had a church gig for years that paid $100 a service - for me it was 2 services a week.  But the church next to mine hired an organist for 7 services a week, also $100/service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  The church has been one of the most reliable employers of musicians for hundreds of years &#8211; that will never change.  I know music directors of churches that make $75k+ a year. I had a church gig for years that paid $100 a service &#8211; for me it was 2 services a week.  But the church next to mine hired an organist for 7 services a week, also $100/service.</p>
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		<title>By: Xad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a church musician. I play the keyboard during Mass and train the choir for free. But I&#039;m having financial difficulties right now. Is is reasonable to start charging a fee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a church musician. I play the keyboard during Mass and train the choir for free. But I&#8217;m having financial difficulties right now. Is is reasonable to start charging a fee?</p>
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		<title>By: TSwang</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative. I read several of the articles. I am most impressed with  Cameron’s article, The Truth About Booking Shows for Musicians in New York City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative. I read several of the articles. I am most impressed with  Cameron’s article, The Truth About Booking Shows for Musicians in New York City.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Spotify I agree with David !

Sometime ago I had asked all my affiliates BMI,AFM,&amp; my library site Audiosparx to look into the operation of Spotify. As a composer and producer it makes no sense giving their disposition of royalty payments to artist. It really is counter-productive and why would you give it away when there are other avenues to travel in regards to optimizing your streams of income ? Back in 1998-99 when I went digital and launched my projects via internet, there was the Napster pirates of which after investigating some 2,500 downloads of my music of which I received nothing ! The lie was that if you give free downloads it will help sell your CD along with marketing exposure ! And Pink Pigs Fly at Easter ! This happened to many artist when joining music sites that leaked into Napster. There were many lobbies on Capital Hill about copyrights,artist rights and of course intellectual property rights of which the AFM,BMI,ASACP and many others fought to keep our rights intact however not always successful unfortunately. Below I took the liberty to copy a Criticism from Wikipedia it&#039;s worth the read.

(The service has come under fire for failing to compe
nsate independent artists fairly. Helienne Lindvall of The Guardian reported that &quot;indie labels... as opposed to the majors and Merlin members, receive no advance, receive no minimum per stream and only get a 50% share of ad revenue on a pro-rata basis.&quot;[86] Swedish musician Magnus Uggla wanted to pull his music from the service, stating that after six months he&#039;d only earned &quot;what a mediocre busker could earn in a day&quot;.[87] Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported in 2009 that record label Racing Junior had only earned NOK 19 ($3.00 USD) after their artists had been streamed over 55,100 times.[88] According to an infographic by David McCandless, an independent artist on Spotify would need over four million streams per month to earn US$1,160.[89] Luke Lewis of NME points to problems with the Spotify business model, saying he was &quot;convinced the &#039;free&#039; aspect of Spotify is unsustainable&quot; and that if &quot;Spotify is to have a future, it needs to be a viable business&quot;.[90]

In September of 2011, Brooklyn-based independent label Projekt Records entered a public disagreement with Spotify, stating &quot;In the world I want to live in, I envision artists fairly compensated for their creations, because we (the audience) believe in the value of what artists create. The artist&#039;s passion, dedication and expression is respected and rewarded. Spotify is NOT a service that does this. Projekt will not be part of this unprincipled concept.&quot; [91]

A 2011 blog post alleged that the higher 320 kbps bitrate supposedly available to Premium subscribers was in reality only available on around 30% of tracks.[59] A large majority of the content was actually streamed in 160 kbps.[59]

The usefulness of Spotify for listening to classical music has been criticised, because playback is not gapless (there is a slight pause between tracks), which affects much classical music, and searching is very poor.[92] This is also a problem in other types of music, including popular music, where some albums are intended to be listened to without gaps. [93]

Spotify has also been criticised for bugs in the Android version, which prevents the use of offline playlist functionality on Honeycomb-based devices.[94]

Spotify also faces new issues with the introduction of requiring a Facebook account. [95] )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Spotify I agree with David !</p>
<p>Sometime ago I had asked all my affiliates BMI,AFM,&amp; my library site Audiosparx to look into the operation of Spotify. As a composer and producer it makes no sense giving their disposition of royalty payments to artist. It really is counter-productive and why would you give it away when there are other avenues to travel in regards to optimizing your streams of income ? Back in 1998-99 when I went digital and launched my projects via internet, there was the Napster pirates of which after investigating some 2,500 downloads of my music of which I received nothing ! The lie was that if you give free downloads it will help sell your CD along with marketing exposure ! And Pink Pigs Fly at Easter ! This happened to many artist when joining music sites that leaked into Napster. There were many lobbies on Capital Hill about copyrights,artist rights and of course intellectual property rights of which the AFM,BMI,ASACP and many others fought to keep our rights intact however not always successful unfortunately. Below I took the liberty to copy a Criticism from Wikipedia it&#8217;s worth the read.</p>
<p>(The service has come under fire for failing to compe<br />
nsate independent artists fairly. Helienne Lindvall of The Guardian reported that &#8220;indie labels&#8230; as opposed to the majors and Merlin members, receive no advance, receive no minimum per stream and only get a 50% share of ad revenue on a pro-rata basis.&#8221;[86] Swedish musician Magnus Uggla wanted to pull his music from the service, stating that after six months he&#8217;d only earned &#8220;what a mediocre busker could earn in a day&#8221;.[87] Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported in 2009 that record label Racing Junior had only earned NOK 19 ($3.00 USD) after their artists had been streamed over 55,100 times.[88] According to an infographic by David McCandless, an independent artist on Spotify would need over four million streams per month to earn US$1,160.[89] Luke Lewis of NME points to problems with the Spotify business model, saying he was &#8220;convinced the &#8216;free&#8217; aspect of Spotify is unsustainable&#8221; and that if &#8220;Spotify is to have a future, it needs to be a viable business&#8221;.[90]</p>
<p>In September of 2011, Brooklyn-based independent label Projekt Records entered a public disagreement with Spotify, stating &#8220;In the world I want to live in, I envision artists fairly compensated for their creations, because we (the audience) believe in the value of what artists create. The artist&#8217;s passion, dedication and expression is respected and rewarded. Spotify is NOT a service that does this. Projekt will not be part of this unprincipled concept.&#8221; [91]</p>
<p>A 2011 blog post alleged that the higher 320 kbps bitrate supposedly available to Premium subscribers was in reality only available on around 30% of tracks.[59] A large majority of the content was actually streamed in 160 kbps.[59]</p>
<p>The usefulness of Spotify for listening to classical music has been criticised, because playback is not gapless (there is a slight pause between tracks), which affects much classical music, and searching is very poor.[92] This is also a problem in other types of music, including popular music, where some albums are intended to be listened to without gaps. [93]</p>
<p>Spotify has also been criticised for bugs in the Android version, which prevents the use of offline playlist functionality on Honeycomb-based devices.[94]</p>
<p>Spotify also faces new issues with the introduction of requiring a Facebook account. [95] )</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how Spotify could possibly be helpful to independent, regional musicians.  

See Cam&#039;s article for more: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musicianwages.com/the-working-musician/spotify-from-a-musicians-perspective/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spotify From a Musician&#039;s Perspective&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how Spotify could possibly be helpful to independent, regional musicians.  </p>
<p>See Cam&#8217;s article for more: <a href="http://www.musicianwages.com/the-working-musician/spotify-from-a-musicians-perspective/" rel="nofollow">Spotify From a Musician&#8217;s Perspective</a></p>
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		<title>By: cedric</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selling on spotify will never make you money, it&#039;s like 0,026 cent per play if I remember correctly [could be 0,26 or 0,0026 as well], so that&#039;s a ridiculous low amount. Selling your music on Itunes is quite bad as well as you will earn 9 dollarcent for every song you sell...
Streaming your music as a partner on youtube would give you much much more [aprox 0,2-0,5 cent per view].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selling on spotify will never make you money, it&#8217;s like 0,026 cent per play if I remember correctly [could be 0,26 or 0,0026 as well], so that&#8217;s a ridiculous low amount. Selling your music on Itunes is quite bad as well as you will earn 9 dollarcent for every song you sell&#8230;<br />
Streaming your music as a partner on youtube would give you much much more [aprox 0,2-0,5 cent per view].</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cameron,
It&#039;s an historical thing.  In the early days, a recording company would approach a songwriter (like Irving Berlin) and would offer the songwriter half of all revenues generated if he would allow the company to record the song.  If he agreed, the recording company would then hire musicians for a day rate and have them play the song for the recording.  The recording company would then market the song and the revenues would be split 50-50 with the songwriter.  The musicians would play for the day rate and would receive no royalties.  That mindset has remained in the industry for over 80 years.  Nowadays, there are multiple exceptions to this rule, and recording companies have had to adjust the way they do business in order to keep their business; but, the 50-50 principle is still the standard.  PUBLISHER is a legal term that has been used for decades to indicated the recording company.  The fact that sheet music can also be &quot;published&quot; (the common term), i.e printed, creates confusion.  Usually, sheet music is printed by a printer under contract to the recording company.

U.S. Copyright law §102 is specific.  A copyright for a song can be either a &quot;musical work, including lyrics&quot; or a &quot;sound recording.&quot;  In both cases, the songwriter owns the entire copyright (unless he signs it away).  If a recording company approaches a songwriter about recording a song, it makes a deal with the songwriter that has traditionally been 50-50.  If a songwriter (usually a band or band member) approaches a recording company, the deal will usually be weighted heavily toward the recording company and most first-time songwriters sign away much if not all of their rights to a song for the opportunity of getting the song recorded.  I do not know whether or not the Universal Music Group handled primarily new acts, but established songwriters, like Carol Bayer Sager, Burt Bacharach, David Foster, Babyface, etc., usually get the 50-50 treatment because they have track records of success that the record companies would like to leverage for their own gain.  It&#039;s a sliding scale with no hard, fast rules; but, the general principles remain unchanged.  

In any event, the term &quot;master recording rights&quot; may be used by a company to describe the copyright they acquired to a song, but it exists nowhere in copyright law.  Seriously, check out the two books I mentioned earlier and download the U.S. Copyright law.  I guarantee that you will be glad you did.  Keep rocking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cameron,<br />
It&#8217;s an historical thing.  In the early days, a recording company would approach a songwriter (like Irving Berlin) and would offer the songwriter half of all revenues generated if he would allow the company to record the song.  If he agreed, the recording company would then hire musicians for a day rate and have them play the song for the recording.  The recording company would then market the song and the revenues would be split 50-50 with the songwriter.  The musicians would play for the day rate and would receive no royalties.  That mindset has remained in the industry for over 80 years.  Nowadays, there are multiple exceptions to this rule, and recording companies have had to adjust the way they do business in order to keep their business; but, the 50-50 principle is still the standard.  PUBLISHER is a legal term that has been used for decades to indicated the recording company.  The fact that sheet music can also be &#8220;published&#8221; (the common term), i.e printed, creates confusion.  Usually, sheet music is printed by a printer under contract to the recording company.</p>
<p>U.S. Copyright law §102 is specific.  A copyright for a song can be either a &#8220;musical work, including lyrics&#8221; or a &#8220;sound recording.&#8221;  In both cases, the songwriter owns the entire copyright (unless he signs it away).  If a recording company approaches a songwriter about recording a song, it makes a deal with the songwriter that has traditionally been 50-50.  If a songwriter (usually a band or band member) approaches a recording company, the deal will usually be weighted heavily toward the recording company and most first-time songwriters sign away much if not all of their rights to a song for the opportunity of getting the song recorded.  I do not know whether or not the Universal Music Group handled primarily new acts, but established songwriters, like Carol Bayer Sager, Burt Bacharach, David Foster, Babyface, etc., usually get the 50-50 treatment because they have track records of success that the record companies would like to leverage for their own gain.  It&#8217;s a sliding scale with no hard, fast rules; but, the general principles remain unchanged.  </p>
<p>In any event, the term &#8220;master recording rights&#8221; may be used by a company to describe the copyright they acquired to a song, but it exists nowhere in copyright law.  Seriously, check out the two books I mentioned earlier and download the U.S. Copyright law.  I guarantee that you will be glad you did.  Keep rocking!</p>
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