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		<title>By: David Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David.  Had to learn the hard ways.  I enjoy reading the articles posted - keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David.  Had to learn the hard ways.  I enjoy reading the articles posted &#8211; keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Hahn</title>
		<link>http://www.musicianwages.com/the-working-musician/motivating-musicians-as-a-bandleader/comment-page-1/#comment-16244</link>
		<dc:creator>David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow David, I wish you&#039;d been my music director when I was on ships! You&#039;ve got a much better handle on management than I do - you should have written this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow David, I wish you&#8217;d been my music director when I was on ships! You&#8217;ve got a much better handle on management than I do &#8211; you should have written this article!</p>
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		<title>By: David Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.musicianwages.com/the-working-musician/motivating-musicians-as-a-bandleader/comment-page-1/#comment-16241</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  I regularly manage a rotating group of musicians on cruise ships, and finding ways to motivate different types of musicians with varying nationalities to be difficult.  Fortunately, the company offers a great deal of free management courses and I&#039;ve found that traditional management courses to be helpful in working with artists.  

I&#039;ve found measurable goal setting, and progressive review to be increasingly beneficial.  By allowing the musicians to set their own performance/professional goals based on how they evaluate their own performance, I&#039;m able to engage and invest them in the process of self development.  This is fantastic as it also serves my own goal to develop the skill and abilities of the ensemble.  The musicians progress at achieving their goals is checked at regular intervals and my role turns more into &quot;coach&quot; and less into &quot;director&quot;.  I&#039;m still able to deliver notes, but I&#039;ve found the amount of notes I deliver is less because the musician is already aware of their areas for development.  

I&#039;ve also found that simple semantics can be important in playing a role in motivation.  Instead of outlining areas for improvement, I outline &quot;opportunities for growth&quot; and then when musicians seize opportunities they are demonstrating a &quot;proactive&quot; nature and taking an interest.  Allowing me to give positive feedback that&#039;s both relevant and meaningful.  Improvement, can often times suggest that an individual is not performing well, or doing something wrong.  When the term &quot;growth&quot; is used, the message - from you, the manager - is not negative.  You&#039;re indicating, you&#039;re doing a fantastic job, here are areas that if you focus on them, you&#039;ll develop yourself even more than you are now.  I&#039;ve found musicians to appreciate this form of feedback and their development expedited.

When musicians&#039; development stagnates, or they become non-responsive I&#039;ve found a more aggressive approach works.  By aggressive I don&#039;t mean tone, or appearance, I&#039;m suggesting a conversation such as: &quot;Person A, we&#039;ve agreed that your performance accuracy should be greater, for the past three weeks we&#039;ve talked about your performance accuracy, and at this point, I&#039;m not seeing the development we&#039;ve targeted - why?&quot; Have the musician then explain why, and follow-up with: &quot;What can we do to achieve our target?&quot; Musician is now forced to explain how they&#039;ll make it better then make suggestions if it&#039;s necessary and summarize: &quot;Thank you for taking this seriously, I&#039;m going to make a letter outlining what we&#039;ve talked about and what you&#039;ll do and let&#039;s aim for seeing progress starting tomorrow and I&#039;ll follow up in 7 days&quot;.  Now you&#039;ve started the paper trail, you&#039;ve indicated when you&#039;ll follow up - and if there&#039;s still no growth, you can begin looking at replacement of the musician or further disciplinary procedure. 

Sorry for the long post - long story short - create investment from your team.  Get them involved in their own development, to more you involve them to more you can expect they&#039;ll be willing to give you 100% of their efforts.  I&#039;ve found a couple good books - Dale Carnegie&#039;s &quot;How to Win Friends and Influence People&quot; and the other &quot;Growing Great Employees&quot; by Erika Andersen.  I&#039;d recommend the suggestions above if you&#039;re working with a team steadily - for a quick pick-up job this process may not be as effective.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  I regularly manage a rotating group of musicians on cruise ships, and finding ways to motivate different types of musicians with varying nationalities to be difficult.  Fortunately, the company offers a great deal of free management courses and I&#8217;ve found that traditional management courses to be helpful in working with artists.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found measurable goal setting, and progressive review to be increasingly beneficial.  By allowing the musicians to set their own performance/professional goals based on how they evaluate their own performance, I&#8217;m able to engage and invest them in the process of self development.  This is fantastic as it also serves my own goal to develop the skill and abilities of the ensemble.  The musicians progress at achieving their goals is checked at regular intervals and my role turns more into &#8220;coach&#8221; and less into &#8220;director&#8221;.  I&#8217;m still able to deliver notes, but I&#8217;ve found the amount of notes I deliver is less because the musician is already aware of their areas for development.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also found that simple semantics can be important in playing a role in motivation.  Instead of outlining areas for improvement, I outline &#8220;opportunities for growth&#8221; and then when musicians seize opportunities they are demonstrating a &#8220;proactive&#8221; nature and taking an interest.  Allowing me to give positive feedback that&#8217;s both relevant and meaningful.  Improvement, can often times suggest that an individual is not performing well, or doing something wrong.  When the term &#8220;growth&#8221; is used, the message &#8211; from you, the manager &#8211; is not negative.  You&#8217;re indicating, you&#8217;re doing a fantastic job, here are areas that if you focus on them, you&#8217;ll develop yourself even more than you are now.  I&#8217;ve found musicians to appreciate this form of feedback and their development expedited.</p>
<p>When musicians&#8217; development stagnates, or they become non-responsive I&#8217;ve found a more aggressive approach works.  By aggressive I don&#8217;t mean tone, or appearance, I&#8217;m suggesting a conversation such as: &#8220;Person A, we&#8217;ve agreed that your performance accuracy should be greater, for the past three weeks we&#8217;ve talked about your performance accuracy, and at this point, I&#8217;m not seeing the development we&#8217;ve targeted &#8211; why?&#8221; Have the musician then explain why, and follow-up with: &#8220;What can we do to achieve our target?&#8221; Musician is now forced to explain how they&#8217;ll make it better then make suggestions if it&#8217;s necessary and summarize: &#8220;Thank you for taking this seriously, I&#8217;m going to make a letter outlining what we&#8217;ve talked about and what you&#8217;ll do and let&#8217;s aim for seeing progress starting tomorrow and I&#8217;ll follow up in 7 days&#8221;.  Now you&#8217;ve started the paper trail, you&#8217;ve indicated when you&#8217;ll follow up &#8211; and if there&#8217;s still no growth, you can begin looking at replacement of the musician or further disciplinary procedure. </p>
<p>Sorry for the long post &#8211; long story short &#8211; create investment from your team.  Get them involved in their own development, to more you involve them to more you can expect they&#8217;ll be willing to give you 100% of their efforts.  I&#8217;ve found a couple good books &#8211; Dale Carnegie&#8217;s &#8220;How to Win Friends and Influence People&#8221; and the other &#8220;Growing Great Employees&#8221; by Erika Andersen.  I&#8217;d recommend the suggestions above if you&#8217;re working with a team steadily &#8211; for a quick pick-up job this process may not be as effective.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Tirrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Tirrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 05:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a thoughtful article. 

I too have run into problems just like these. Interesting to see how you&#039;ve handled them!

-Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a thoughtful article. </p>
<p>I too have run into problems just like these. Interesting to see how you&#8217;ve handled them!</p>
<p>-Alex</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe - 

I think that&#039;s a tough one with your band.  I think generally people will always have a cost/benefit list tallying in the back of their minds about every long-term gig they get into.  People will work and work and work until the costs start to out weight the benefits - then they just stop.  It&#039;s difficult to motivate them until the benefits start to balance out again.

So you have to ask - what are the benefits that your band is looking for?  Do they want to make money?  Recognition?  Popularity?  Travel?  Do they want to be in the local paper?  New drum heads every now and then?  New strings? Find out what would add value to the gig for them, then get it for them.  

It may seem like you shouldn&#039;t have to do that kind of this if a band is really committed, but you have to think about being in a band as a relationship.  You have to spend time strengthening the relationship, even if that&#039;s not wholly related to making music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe &#8211; </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a tough one with your band.  I think generally people will always have a cost/benefit list tallying in the back of their minds about every long-term gig they get into.  People will work and work and work until the costs start to out weight the benefits &#8211; then they just stop.  It&#8217;s difficult to motivate them until the benefits start to balance out again.</p>
<p>So you have to ask &#8211; what are the benefits that your band is looking for?  Do they want to make money?  Recognition?  Popularity?  Travel?  Do they want to be in the local paper?  New drum heads every now and then?  New strings? Find out what would add value to the gig for them, then get it for them.  </p>
<p>It may seem like you shouldn&#8217;t have to do that kind of this if a band is really committed, but you have to think about being in a band as a relationship.  You have to spend time strengthening the relationship, even if that&#8217;s not wholly related to making music.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Seamons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Seamons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we get a new post that&#039;s framed differently?  I lead a young band of four other musicians besides myself--what are some good strategies to get each member motivated to pitch in on the business side of things.  For instance, every week now I sit down with my bass player and our computers--we tend our band&#039;s various online accounts and try to connect with new bands and fans through sites like lastFM.com and imeem.

What are other creative ways to harness the energy &amp; time of band members beyond the mundane tasks like putting up posters and handing out fliers?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we get a new post that&#8217;s framed differently?  I lead a young band of four other musicians besides myself&#8211;what are some good strategies to get each member motivated to pitch in on the business side of things.  For instance, every week now I sit down with my bass player and our computers&#8211;we tend our band&#8217;s various online accounts and try to connect with new bands and fans through sites like lastFM.com and imeem.</p>
<p>What are other creative ways to harness the energy &amp; time of band members beyond the mundane tasks like putting up posters and handing out fliers?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: PI</title>
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		<dc:creator>PI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its also very important to let the musicians see how passionate you are about the music you&#039;re conducting/performing. I know as a musican i react better to band leaders who are clearly excited about the music!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its also very important to let the musicians see how passionate you are about the music you&#8217;re conducting/performing. I know as a musican i react better to band leaders who are clearly excited about the music!</p>
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		<title>By: Vashti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vashti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see this article in the AFM propaganda!! Enjoyed it, Thankyou!</description>
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		<title>By: New article published in International Musician &#124; David J. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>New article published in International Musician &#124; David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Published and Featured Articles &#124; David J. Hahn</dc:creator>
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