At 16 years old, I got my first job at a video rental store. Since then, I’ve worked at a mall, been a waiter, caterer, bartender, bar back, bouncer, sofa bed salesman, and office supply salesman. I also got my first paying gig as a jazz guitarist at 16, playing at a cafe in the middle of the mall. I think that gig paid $22.50 (the band leader took a 10% finders fee and split the rest four ways). That was the beginning of my double life–the kid that worked hard to make a paycheck and the kid that really just wanted to make music. For the most part, the first kid kept the other one kind of quiet because music is a hobby, not a job, right?
My attitude changed when I quit the office supply business and decided to find some mindless temp work to pay the bills while I tried to get things rolling with my music. I was completely honest with the interviewer at the temp agency:
“I’m a musician, and I just want a job where I can punch out at 5, forget about everything I did that day, and go focus on my music.”
He asked me what I played, what I listened to, all the typical music related questions. Then he said he might have just the position for me–Verve Records needed a long term temp to do some data entry. Perfect. Sign me up!
I had an interview a few weeks later at Verve. I showed up early, and in a suit. I later learned that nothing runs early in the music industry, and my boss would joke with people that came to work dressed too nice, “Interviewing for a new job?” she’d ask loud enough so everyone down the hall could hear.
My first day at Verve was in early 2005. At that point, I had only a vague idea of how any business worked, much less the music industry. Not only had I never worked in an office, but I was a jazz studies major in college. I studied music as an art, not a commercial product to be exploited as a business asset. Never the less I kept my eyes and ears open and learned as much as I could about all aspects of the business. After all, if I wanted to function as an artist someday, I needed to know what I’d be dealing with on the business end.
I ended up leaving the company about 3 years after I’d started. It was a very tough decision. If there was a day job designed for me, this was it. But when I went home at night and looked at my guitars, I got the feeling that I wasn’t using my time appropriately. My job was stressful and mentally challenging, which put a strain on my creative output outside of work. There was also a money issue. Despite what you may imagine, record label jobs pay relatively little. Most people are OK with this because it can be a pretty fun, socially relevant job. But I was starting to see opportunities to make a real career out of my music, and knew that if I dug in and worked with the same intensity, I could make the same money and eventually more with my own music on my own terms.
The lessons I took away from this job will serve me for the rest of my career, not because they taught me specific things to do, but because they taught me how to adapt. What works today will not work in 10 years. But the ability to see changing trends, stay ahead of the curve and ultimately balance my long term revenue streams with low, short term costs–which don’t have to cost money–will keep me in business doing what I love for the rest of my life.
Digital production, strategic marketing.
When hired, I was assigned the digital production responsibilities. I entered boatloads of metadata from out of print albums into a database. I was perfect for this because I already knew a lot about many of these albums, and whenever I didn’t know something I had access to several complete jazz discographies, the entire Verve library full of nearly every LP and CD ever released, and several very knowledgeable coworkers.
In short, the position straddled the Production and New Media (online sales and marketing) departments and involved coordinating the release of digital products–ie. digital albums, ringtones and other mobile configurations, and videos. I had to make sure the metadata was entered into a few systems properly so it would show up in online stores like iTunes without incorrect track listings, timings, misspellings, etc., and then get the artwork and audio uploaded to some other systems by a deadline.
The term metadata refers to all the information for an album. Simply put, it’s the interactive digital version of everything printed on a CD booklet, LP jacket, or other packaging, stored in a database. When I would add an artist to an album, the database would know who this artist was and which recordings they were on (at least whatever had been entered so far). I would gather my information by looking at the packaging, searching through discographies, listening to the music (timings were often approximate on LP jackets, but they must be exact in the digital era), and using a variety of songwriter dictionaries and online resources to make sure I had the correct composer and publisher information. There was a lot of research involved.
I could have blown off a lot of the attention to details and it maybe wouldn’t have affected my job, but someday the accuracy of all this information will be crucial. With trends shifting away from physical albums, liner notes, credits, and anything else printed on the packaging is being lost. But that information is invaluable, and will eventually be accessible online and embedded into the tracks you download. I took a sense of pride in thinking my work would give some relatively unknown artist a place in history. Perhaps this was positive thinking as I faced the grim possibility of obscurity for my own music.
My biggest ongoing project while handling the digital production responsibilities was the Verve Vault, a series of reissues released exclusively to iTunes (here’s a random blog post about the series). We were looking for out of print albums in the “vaults of Verve” to make available digitally–albums where manufacturing physical product wouldn’t have been cost effective. In other words, I was working with albums that make up the Long Tail of Verve’s catalog.
This taught me invaluable lessons on working with niche oriented music and how to make the most out of digital distribution scenarios–lessons directly applicable to independent artists. Albums deep in the Verve catalog, by artists like Illinois Jacquet or Ray Bryant have no advantage being owned by a major label. They have roughly the same marketing budgets as a Cameron Mizell album, so we had to apply low or no-cost strategies to help these albums sell. The most effective methods were things like optimized online announcements, creating iMixes or other user generated playlists, and targeting specific niches that would help introduce these lesser known jazz icons of yesteryear to the download generation. In the exact same way, I learned many strategies to help people find my music online.
In general, the best form of online marketing is to not be a marketer. Or in other words, just nudge either your music or your target fans towards each other and let them meet on their own. Ultimately, encourage discovery. It may just be the illusion of discovery, but it gives the your music greater personal value and the fan’s excitement becomes viral. Word of mouth begins.
Production, design, manufacturing, distribution.
After a while, I ended up as the head of the production department. I didn’t intend for this to happen, but the inevitable downsizing of record labels hit Verve pretty hard at the end of 2006 and I was the only person left from the original department. I didn’t have the official title, but I had the responsibilities. In a very short time, I learned everything from pricing out packaging to tackling manufacturing related issues at the last minute. I was also heavily involved with quality control and put my ear to every master and proofed all the artwork prior to manufacturing. Verve is known for it’s quality releases, and I was lucky enough to learn from some of the best. I wrote an article about preparing to release your next album on this site which applies much of what I learned to indie musician releases. It’s what I’ve done for my recent albums.
One of the perks of working production was getting credit in all the albums. You can see a list of my credits on All Music Guide. The credits with Production Coordination or Release Coordination are from my work at Verve. I hope to some day match those with Guitar and other musically related credits.
A job in production, for those unfamiliar, is essentially that of a taskmaster. It was my responsibility to make sure all the pieces of the puzzle came together on time so the company would have a CD to sell on the street date. Unlike digital production, where I was able to do my job pretty much all on my own, physical production put me in contact with nearly every department:
The master came from the A&R department (Artist & Repertoire), as well as all the credits for an album. Among other things, the A&R department works with the artist and studios to make sure the music will be done on time. The schedule for “on time” had to be provided by me.
The earlier we had music, the sooner I could create advances and radio singles for the Publicity and Promotion departments. Advances are CDs with little or no artwork serviced to writers, radio stations, and anyone else that would need to hear the music early enough to help create buzz around the album.
The artwork came from the Creative department. Along with simply looking great, the text (or copy as it’s called in the industry) had to be free of errors. This involved a great deal of proofing, a process that started with me, was routed through the Marketing department to the artist, then to the Legal and A&R departments, past the desk of the General Manager and eventually the CEO, and back to me. Proofing involved looking at all the credits (musician, production, and writer), liner notes, song titles, timings, lyrics, special thanks, legal lines, spacing, punctuation, font styles, spelling, the UPC, catalog number, and anything else the artist wanted in their package. Needless to say, not everyone looked at everything, so it was up to me to make sure enough eyes were put on it to catch things somebody else might have missed.
Working the the Creative department also taught me a great deal about print production. Printing is a pretty complex beast, and while the technology is pretty advanced today, at the heart of it people still print with four color CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow, black). The design files had to be set up perfectly so the right amount of ink was hitting the paper in the right spots. Things that seem simple on a computer, like white text on a black background, can be problematic for a printer as the ink might close up the narrow white spaces. Working with the designers and art director, I had to check that the artwork met the printers’ specifications.
Meanwhile, the Sales department was busy drumming up interest in various accounts, so the albums would get as much distribution as possible. If you’ve ever tried to get your local CD store to sell your CD, you have an idea of what the sales department does. They have to pitch each album to every retailer (often times there is a one large buyer that supplies several retailers with product). The only way to pitch an album is to have a story–something that would suggest people will actually go into the store and buy the album. Their main tool is called a sales sheet, or one sheet, which is kind of like a one page summary of all the marketing, publicity, radio, tour info, artist bio, and past sales performance.
One way to understand the whole process of selling records is to actually start with the Sales department suggesting a new angle on a product, such as a reissue series, that they feel will do well at certain retailers. Then the A&R, Creative, and Production departments jump into action to make the product a reality. Sometimes this involves creating exclusives for particular accounts (such as a Borders’ version with a bonus track). Exclusives are usually added to the schedule last minute and involve some quick manuvering through the processes mentioned above.
I would also act as a liaison between the Sales department and UMG Logistics department which oversaw the actual manufacturing and inventory. One of my shining moments, which was nearly a nightmare, was when Herbie Hancock’s album River: The Joni Letters won the Grammy for Album of the Year. In the five months between it’s release and the Grammy Awards, I believe it sold about 50,000 albums. In the week following the Grammy win, it sold nearly that many again. It took some quick action and teamwork between myself and the Sales and Inventory departments to make sure we had enough product on order to keep up with the demand.
I remember one day in the thick of all this when my boss came into my office and asked me to create a report of the inventory numbers from all the various warehouses along with what was in production and when those would be delivered and to what warehouses. And he needed it in an hour so he could get on the phone with his boss, the CEO. Normally, when I pull these kinds of reports I double check my numbers with the guys in Inventory, but they were in a meeting for the next hour, so it was all on me. I managed to pull an accurate report but the numbers were a little to close for comfort, so my boss and the head of sales sweetened them a bit for the CEO. What he didn’t know didn’t hurt him.
I also worked with the Sales and Marketing departments to create POP, or point of purchase items, and promotional tools like t-shirts, match books, cocktail stirrers, chapstick, posters, postcards, you name it. If somebody thought it would help sell the record, I had to figure out the cost. If the cost got approved (it usually didn’t), then I’d have to orchestrate the design and production of the item.
While working with all these different departments, I tried to learn as much as I could. I asked lots of questions, but not questions like “what do you want me to do next?” or even “how do I do this?” No, my questions were either “why do they do it this way?” to figure out the method to the madness. I also tried to work things out for myself and then ask the appropriate people whether I’d gotten it right. I did this with anything involving the label’s lawyer for two reasons–quicker answers, and because understanding how legal issues effect decisions will probably save my ass somewhere down the road.
The biggest lesson I learned here: Marketing is marketing, sales is sales, publicity is publicity, etc. Just because you’re in the music business doesn’t change the game, and as a musician I can learn a lot from other savvy and creative business people.
In many ways, I was always cut out for a production job at a jazz record label. My training as a musician has developed my ear to the point where I can pick out tiny ticks, clips, distortions, and other non-musical sounds on recordings, even those engineered by the best. Besides music, art had been a big passion of mine growing up. In fact, had I not studied music, I was considering an art major. This gave me an advantage when looking at artwork. I understood concepts of composition, balance, color and fonts. I was also a quick study when working with some excellent designers and a very particular art director who had a knack for teaching. Add to that my natural anal-retentiveness and the job fits like a glove.
Inertia and changing course.
Perhaps the most important but least tangible lesson learned was that of inertia. Verve was a tiny part of a the largest recorded music company in the world, Universal Music Group. The collective power of all the UMG labels enables massive distribution leverage. You needn’t go further than any popular music news website or blog to hear about how UMG uses it’s power to force startups to pay extremely large up front licensing fees for access to the UMG catalog. UMG managed to even get a royalty of every Microsoft Zune sold (the Zune was supposed to be an iPod competitor). And just like any other large company, the quantity of work they can give a third party such as a printer or digital aggregator, gives them a strong hand in negotiations.
But this kind of inertia is a big problem when it’s time to change directions. The times they are a changin’ and the old model is proven less effective. The cost of running a huge company can no longer be supported by selling CDs, and while monetizing digital assets is promising, it does not fill the void. There is a lot of discussions of 360 degree deals, where one company controls all the major revenue streams for an artist. That doesn’t sound like a viable solution for developing artists, and worse, it only compounds the issue of changing directions with new trends.
Large companies also tend to over-insulate their artists. New generations of fans will want more contact with artists, and when they can’t get it they manufacture it by making their own music videos or other various activities that are technically illegal until the major label attorneys are able to figure out a way to monetize it. Remember when Colbie Caillat told her fans that Universal artists were only allowed to post 90 second clips of their music on MySpace? This is just one example of an artist feeling alienated from her fans because of a large label. The situation could have been handled better, but by putting a choke hold on MySpace using their artists’ music (which doesn’t actually belong to the artists) as the noose, UMG figured they could turn the popular website into another revenue stream. The problem here is that even though the music belongs to the label, the artists’ reputation and relationship with fans is more valuable. This kind of relationship is more easily maintained when fewer people are involved. Fans, artist, and maybe a small team to facilitate the technology.
Looking ahead.
As I mentioned earlier, I resigned from Verve after about three years. That was the longest gig I’d held, unless you count being a musician. My record label job was the ideal 9 to 5 for a guy like me. But then I’d remember that kid with the hobby playing music, and I realized that I had the tools to support myself with my hobby. In fact, over the few years I’d been working at the label and applying what I was learning to help sell my own music, I was actually bringing in a decent amount of cash for maybe three hours of work each week. Meanwhile the 50-60 hours a week I spent at the office was bringing in about three times that of my music income. I wondered what would happen if I applied myself full time to making music? How long before I could double it? Triple it? I struggled with the decision, but after looking at the finances with my wife and painting worst case scenario after worst case scenario, the decision was made.
I write this almost 6 months since my last day at the office. Each month has brought in a little more money than the last. One month in particular brought in more than what I had been making with the record label job. There will be ups and downs in the future, but I’ve proven to myself that I made the right decision. I continue to diversify my revenue streams to help me through dry spells. Ultimately, it’s a lot easier to cut my income in half now and build a solid foundation for a long term career. This foundation is constructed by writing more music, playing more gigs, recording more albums, producing and playing on other people’s albums, establishing a broader internet presence, and building more relationships as a musician. But the cornerstone of it all is in finding my voice as a guitarist.
While I continue to develop a career of my own music, there are other facets that help pay the bills. I teach guitar lessons. I’m a production consultant for a small company that provides sales and marketing expertise to both independent and major labels. I work on jingles with a fellow musician working on her own music. And along with some other musician friends, I record niche oriented albums under different pseudonyms to create different brands (as well as avoid confusion with the brand I’m trying to establish with my music). If I have a slow month in any of these areas, I’m covered by the others.
This is an exciting time to be an independent musician. I believe the future will be bright for knowledgeable artists that retain ownership of their recordings and understand how to keep costs down. Quality recordings can be made for relatively little when the right group of talented people get together, and once the recording is made there’s no reason to sell it to a label. The business relationships independent artists should cultivate are those of mutual benefit, with a team of experts that believe in the artist and his or her music.
As an independent artist myself, I understand that there is simply too much to do day to day to release an album to it’s full potential. There is no way I could do everything the people at Verve did. Proper business relationships are established through repeated business, and if I’m only releasing one album every couple years, those relationships will never fully develop. But I can establish relationships with other artists, and use our collective continuity to establish working relationships with experts in sales, publicity, marketing, promotion, and distribution. I envision someday being involved with a virtual label of like minded artists inspiring each other creatively while helping each other stay aware and ahead of current business trends, all to create a new adaptive form of momentum. I imagine I’m not alone.




Great article. With the music industry changing so much I wonder if the record labels will end up leasing the musicians songs instead of owning them as a compromise.
That is known as licensing. An artist makes a record, and the label has ownership for a set period of time (usually 10 or 15 years). Eventually the rights revert back to the artist. This isn’t something labels like to do, especially for developing artists. If the artist establishes a successful career down the road, the early albums increase in value.
However, this does happen with well established artists. A label will own certain rights to a new album for a period of time (usually only 3 or 5 years), during which they handle all the marketing, production, sales and distribution. This is a mutually beneficial relationship because the label benefits from the artist’s reputation and the artist gains the expertise and reach of the label.
Great story, what Oz has from it so far is that in any large business many superflous things become a business in themselves thus taking too many people away from what the “business” was about in the 1st. place. Respects.
OZ
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Cam, great article and glad to hear you are doin’ your own thing… I’m wondering if you could recommend a write up or do an article on putting together a One-Sheet?
I most definitely will write something about making a One Sheet. Great suggestion. Let me look for some other resources and I’ll get to work on it soon. Thanks for reading!
Slammin article, Cam. Lots of helpful info in there. When are you going to start your own label?
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What does it take to have a label? Distribution? Do you just have to own a catalog of music? I don’t know anymore… but if I keep doing what I’m doing, and the definition of a label continues to change as many of these hurdles are removed for independent artists, I’ll end up having my own label by default. I think many of us will find ourselves in that position.
Great article…
Arent there already some virtual labels that are sort of coops by the artists themselves?
I think i read about it somewhere…
Thanks for the detailed insight Cameron. I’m getting geared up to start an internship with a major and this article has been really helpful..
Its a scary time to enter this industry though. I’m from Australia and in most of the smaller States the Majors pulled out completely until only a year or so back.
In your opinion, do you think that concerts and merchandise can really replace pre-recorded music as the main revenue-raiser for a Major? And if so, do you think this will mean that they will start resizing again?
Cheers :)
Hi Lynley, good question. My short answer is no, and major labels will not be expanding their staff anytime soon. I would recommend that you try to work with every department you can in your internship, and try to get some time to talk to the people you work with. Ask LOTS of questions. Pretend you want to start your own label and need to find out how it all works.
I have a longer answer that explains why I don’t think tickets and merch will make up for lost revenue from music sales, but that is perhaps best for an entirely different article.
Good luck with your internship, let us know what you learn!
Very nice article.
“There is no way I could do everything the people at Verve did.”
But can your fans?
You’re right! In many ways, you can do well without a machine behind you. Fans who are genuinely excited about your music will spread the word most effectively. Word of mouth is what every marketing department is after. It’s just a matter of getting that started, and to do that, it’s nice to have some help from people with experience reaching those fans. That could be a somebody with “traditional” industry experience, but it could also be a blogger, another band, club owners, you name it.
Another great article. Really fascinating to know what it’s like in the bowels of a record company. I learned many useful business concepts as a magazine editor — I think creative media jobs are a useful analog to the music business, as you have to have plenty of ideas, skill and innovation, coupled with marketing, sales, production and circulation (audience development or fan relations).
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Hey Cam,
Great article bud…need more guys like you in the industry! Lookin’ foward to reading more of your stuff!
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Interesting article.
Indie labels do serve an important function as most musicians are not interested in the day-to-day grind of promoting their music.
Even Jonathan Coulton is using an indie label to promote his latest album.
Despite some musicians wanting to go the DIY way, indie labels are here to stay.
Read more here:
http://enigmafon.com/2009/06/16/the-diy-music-revolution/
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You have a very unique perspective being an artist and having experience in the business side too. Thank you for sharing your expeirences. It helps confirm viewpoints I have, and introduced me to some new ideas as well.
One thing you wrote above that is important to me:
“I can establish relationships with other artists, and use our collective continuity to establish working relationships with experts in sales, publicity, marketing, promotion, and distribution. I envision someday being involved with a virtual label of like minded artists inspiring each other creatively while helping each other stay aware and ahead of current business trends, all to create a new adaptive form of momentum. I imagine I’m not alone.”
You are not alone in that thought. I am a jazz pianist in Cincinnati, OH and have been thinking about getting musicians in this city to work together to support each other’s recording and performance careers, and you have given me new insight into how to make that happen. So.. thank you, and I wish you lots of luck in your career!
I have an extensive career in graphics including some CD’s and posters for bands…how and who can I contact for a portfolio presentation
this was really awesome to read.
Hey I have just graduated college a couple years late unfortunately and really wanted to begin a career at a record label. I am 24. Is this too old?
@Wes – If you look at the credits in any CD, you’ll probably find a credit for Art Direction. There’s a good chance that person is in charge of hiring designers for all of the album artwork at that particular label. However, they usually just try to match the right designer with the right band, so another way to get your foot in the door is to make contacts with bands that would request you design their album.
@Anthony – Age has nothing to do with getting a job. If a label is hiring and you’ve got the right skills and experience for the job, there’s no reason you shouldn’t be considered. Of course, if you have no experience you’ll be starting at the bottom, and there isn’t a lot of vertical movement at record labels that are struggling to survive.
I really enjoyed reading your blog post. It is so refreshing to see an excited music entrepreneur! I think that you made the right decision in your career because you seem like a person that has the correct mindset for this type of career. Keep thinking of new and exciting ways to promote you and your music and you will never find a problem with your career. Best of luck!
It is so reassuring to learn about all of the music related work there is out there for artists through reading blog posts like this. Ultimately the goal is to be able to just do what you love and forget the other stuff but it is nice to know that while someone is still establishing themselves and refining their music they do not need to be completely miserable at a non-musical 9-5.
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Excellent article, thanks for taking time to post it.
Labels of old were about fire hose marketing. They would spray a large volume of marketing and hope to get something wet. With indies, its like an eye dropper…drip drip drip. You can fill a bucket by dripping into it, but it will take some time. But think of the satisfaction in knowing you did it, and no one can take it away from you, or hold it hostage.
Hey Cameron –
As a fellow indie musician who went through the whole ‘complete switchover to music revenue only’ just a couple years ago, I found your article incredibly interesting and full of great advice, esp. your point on diversifying revenue streams. Tthanks so much for taking the time to post!
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Great write up Cam
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Hey, I have a radio background on the sales side and got a glimpse of what radio reps do for the labels. I am very interested in getting my foot in the door and wiling to start at the bottom at any or no income. Any tips on how to make contact with the labels. They seem to be air tight.
I’ve heard most of the major labels are on hiring freezes right now. They’re letting people go, not hiring. It’s a tough part of the industry to be in right now, and you might get more out of working for a management firm or anything that doesn’t rely on recorded music sales to keep the doors open.
What an amazing insight in to your work at a label, thank you. Would it be too much trouble if you could send me an email, I would very much like to ask you a couple of questions about marketing my first LP. Thank You James
Most of what I know I’ve written on this site, specifically, tips geared towards the independent musician.
If you need advice tailored to your specific needs, you can reach me through the contact page on this site, or my own website.
Thanks so much for writing this article! Very informative and eye opening about what goes on at a record label and what working in different departments entails!!!! Great luck with your music!!! Choosing to follow the will of your heart is always the right decision, because even in a worst case sceanario you still have the integrity of knowing who you are and what matters MOST to you. Thank you for choosing to live your dreams! The world needs more people like you! Good luck! Always rooting for ya!
Cameron,
Great article and very timely for me to find it. I am finishing my vocal performance degree in May but I have decided to forego my performing career and focus on producing video and audio for local artists here in Mid-Michigan. Are there jobs at independent labels to hone my video and audio production skills as well as learn the business before I completely venture out on my own?
Hi Brandon,
I recommend building your experience by working directly with bands while also looking for job as an assistant or intern with a professional video or audio producer. Work for somebody that’s an expert at the craft regardless of what kind of subject matter they produce (outside the music industry might offer more opportunities, anyway).
You’ll learn the technical skills for your craft while seeing how the business works, and you can apply that to the bands you work with.
If you have a reputation with bands, then they will recommend you to their label when/if they get signed. Even if they don’t, you still have clients.
Hello Brandon,
Do you have any experience of creating commercial music videos? We could offer you an unpaid position if you would be interested post your email address and we will be in touch. We would have to see some previous work.
Nobody take the bait on this – I’m certain this is a bogus comment.
Thank you for your implied wisdom Mr Hahn, however it is a genuine offer and we would consider a graduate for a placement working unpaid to create visual content for our music catalog if they could demonstrate a certain degree of competence as they would be representing the label.
We would welcome Brandon to submit a music video as an example of his work. As stated the position would be unpaid but support and guidance would be given and may prove invaluable in developing a creative and passionate career. If a paid position has already been secured by Brandon or he has managed to set himself up without any previous industry experience I would like to congratulate him and wish him the very best of luck with his future career in a very tough industry.
Ok, I get it. But if you are serious, then I don’t understand why you list a bogus name, invalid email address, no company name and no URL on your comments? Who is he supposed to send his materials to? Surely you can’t be asking him to leave his email address here in the comments of our site? You have to understand that this looks like you are phishing for people’s email addresses.
Even if you are legit with this – if you want to use our site to find talent, you should go about it the proper way. Use our jobs board, which is free for you to use.
David you have answered your own question, please stop this ridiculas internet conversation it is wasting my time. Why would we post our labels contact details so every person reading this article could spam us, if Brandon wishes to post his email address we will contact him, I think it would be far less likely that Brandon is spammed. We did not solicit the request but I would like to assist a passionate young man in advancing his chosen career if he so wishes. I apriciate you are sceptical and I thank you for directing me to your jobs board but we will not be using it at this time.
Another thing I learned when I worked at the label was how to hire people for unpaid internships, and along with that, how people should go about applying for internships.
The comments section of this article isn’t the place to do it. Post something on your Human Resources webpage and applicants will find you.
Brandon was asking for legitimate advice, not soliciting for unpaid job offers.
I am just curious as to why anyone would want to spend their life AFTER graduation in an unpaid internship? It’s time they got paid for their services so they can move out of Mom and Dad’s place and have one of their own.
If you’re looking for quality work, you should be willing to pay. Not even record labels should be out trying to get a free lunch. Besides, we all know you get what you pay for. Why are crap bands playing in bars all over the place? Because the pros refuse to play for just beer and peanuts. The bar wants a band for free, and they get a free band, but they can’t even play a pentatonic scale to save their lives.
Not to justify the commenter – but I know people out of law school that have unpaid internships. Seems all too common lately.
It’s a cryin’ shame, ain’t it? Here are 22 year-olds or so; adults legally and in their own right. Some of their friends have been working blue collar jobs for four years at this point and are already making money. Coming out of college, we’re asked to keep setting aside the need to support themselves for more “experience.” The four years they spent learning the skills isn’t good enough?
I see it pretty much on par with playing free gigs for “exposure.”
In this volatile economy, some of us are having trouble making the bread to pay our expenses, and it always feels like an extra slap in the face when someone asks us to do our quality, professional work for free.
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